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intelligence official, but it is unclear when the fbi probe began. >> the fbi director had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest date, so it has been going on for several months and now it appears that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus wasn't involved. it does not add up. >> reporter: among the other questions, why weren't key lawmakers told sooner? the house and the senate intelligence committees were not informed until friday. >> are you going to investigate why the fbi did not notify you before? >> yes, absolutely. this is something that could have an effect on national security. i think that we should have been told. >> reporter: not everyone on the hill was totally in the dark. house majority leader eric cantor said an fbi employee told him about petraeus' affair and possible security breach in october after the investigation had begun. a u.s. official says that the general's communications were never compromised and he was never the target of the investigation. another issue, petraeus stepped down days bef
intelligence official, but it is unclear when the fbi probe began. >> the fbi director had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest date, so it has been going on for several months and now it appears that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus wasn't involved. it does not add up. >> reporter: among the other questions, why weren't key lawmakers told sooner? the house and the senate intelligence committees were not...
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the fbi said those didn't come from petraeus. or did petraeus compromise himself by putting himself out there in a situation where he could be blackmailed. i don't know. those that do know, director of national security james clapper, dan feinstein who's on the national security committee. although she found out late, they've all looked at it and said, yes, this is a situation where petraeus should have resigned. it seems to be among those that have the details that are necessary the conclusion you have to reach. >> former cia guy robert baer says there has to be something more to this than just a sexual affair, l.z. especially in light of the benghazi hearings coming up. what do you make of that? >> i think general petraeus definitely needs to testify if for no other reason than to add some more validation to the fact that he felt he resigned because it was the honorable thing to do because of the extramarital affair. if he does not testify, it makes it look shady. that adds to me a greater blemish to his legacy than resigning b
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i'm sorry. >> the fbi -- >> no. the fact is based on what we know now, there was no harassment concluded and nothing threatening. no one said the e-mails were threatening. i said -- i think what the point david is trying to make and a legitimate question, who was the underlying predicate that the fbi had with the citizen got an e-mail to open up the preliminary inquiry? i don't think it's clear and becomes not about the threat or the harassment, whatever you want to call this thing related to kelly, this becomes the fbi's cyber division is concerned that petraeus's private e-mail is hacked in to. that's why they continue this and the crime they're looking at. this is a red herring about harassment of jill kelly, a private citizen and a social liaison. ludicrous. that's not a predicate. >> do you think they overstepped that? >> go ahead, tom. >> determination would be made that, you know, what's the content of these messages? they would take that to the u.s. attorney's office and determine whether or not this might b
i'm sorry. >> the fbi -- >> no. the fact is based on what we know now, there was no harassment concluded and nothing threatening. no one said the e-mails were threatening. i said -- i think what the point david is trying to make and a legitimate question, who was the underlying predicate that the fbi had with the citizen got an e-mail to open up the preliminary inquiry? i don't think it's clear and becomes not about the threat or the harassment, whatever you want to call this thing...
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worked with the fbi who knew. i don't think the director of the fbi knew until mid-october or perhaps even later. and certainly the justice -- it's unclear when the justice department was informed. but it is fairly remarkable that in a situation like this that the president and the white house would not be told until, you know, right before his resignation. and certainly i think the mistake that was made was that congress ought to be informed at the same time that the senior people on the national security establishment are told. >> right. particularly when you're talking about the cia director. this is not a low-level resignation we're talking about. or a scandal involving a low-level member of the administration. having said that, richard and oliver, i want to get to you, because the justice points out that it followed protocol. that there was no national security breach as far as they know and there was no criminal wrongdoing because petraeus was a retired general. having said that, congressman peter king spoke
worked with the fbi who knew. i don't think the director of the fbi knew until mid-october or perhaps even later. and certainly the justice -- it's unclear when the justice department was informed. but it is fairly remarkable that in a situation like this that the president and the white house would not be told until, you know, right before his resignation. and certainly i think the mistake that was made was that congress ought to be informed at the same time that the senior people on the...
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by that time an fbi investigation was already under way. the fbi told the director of national intelligence james clapper on election night, according to a senior u.s. intelligence official. the white house says it was notified the day after the election, and the president the following day. that doesn't make sense to house homeland security chairman peter king. >> this seems to have been going on for several months yet now it appears they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up. >> "the new york times" reports the fbi actually started its investigation late this summer. the house and senate intelligence committees were also caught by surprise. >> are you going to investigate why the fbi didn't notify you before? >> yes, absolutely. i mean, this is something that could have had an effect on national security. i think we should have been told. >> the fbi was investigating harassing e-mails from petraeus' biographer. the trail led to paula broadwell, who co-wrote "all
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. >> the affair was uncovered by the fbi. that's right, the fbi, which sometime during the summer investigated harassing e-mails sent to this woman, petraeus family friend jill kelly. that probe determined that the e-mails, which included an admonition to, quote, back off, came from paula broadwell. while combing through broadwell's e-mails they came upon david petraeus. let's stop it here and bring in suzanne -- suzanne kelly in washington, our intelligence correspondent. suzanne, a lot of ground to cover here. we have this video that has surfaced of paula broadwell, last month, speaking at the university of denver and she's speaking here as david petraeus' biographer about the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. let's take a listen. >> i don't know if a lot of you heard this, but the cia an annex had taken a couple prisoner and they think the attack on the consulate was an attempt to get the prisoners back. that's still being vetted. >> where did she hear that? did it come from david petraeus and do we k
. >> the affair was uncovered by the fbi. that's right, the fbi, which sometime during the summer investigated harassing e-mails sent to this woman, petraeus family friend jill kelly. that probe determined that the e-mails, which included an admonition to, quote, back off, came from paula broadwell. while combing through broadwell's e-mails they came upon david petraeus. let's stop it here and bring in suzanne -- suzanne kelly in washington, our intelligence correspondent. suzanne, a lot...
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broadwell sent these threatening e-mails to her, and she was frightened and she went to the fbi. >> more fallout tonight from the cia scandal that took down the director and another key female figure has been identified in this case. hello, i'm bruce johnson. thanks for joining us this sunday night. more details and intrigue tonight in the unfolding scandal surrounding former cia director david petraeus. we now have a name for the woman who went to the fbi setting off the investigation that revealed an extramarital affair and led to petraeus' resignation. her family now has a washington attorney in crisis management team. also new tonight, lawmakers will hold hearings to determine why congress was not kept more fully informed about that fbi investigation. matt jablow picks up the story from here. >> reporter: david petraeus is a great leader, a great patriot. >> reporter: leaders of both parties had great praise on this veteran's day for one of the country's most decorated veterans, former cia director and retired army general okay david petraeus. his accomplishments notwithstanding, mos
broadwell sent these threatening e-mails to her, and she was frightened and she went to the fbi. >> more fallout tonight from the cia scandal that took down the director and another key female figure has been identified in this case. hello, i'm bruce johnson. thanks for joining us this sunday night. more details and intrigue tonight in the unfolding scandal surrounding former cia director david petraeus. we now have a name for the woman who went to the fbi setting off the investigation...
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a family friend contacted the fbi about those anonymous threatening e-mails which the fbi then traced to broadwell. lawmaker believe the investigation went on for several months and they are asking why they weren't informed earlier. according to the "washington post," petraeus had visited benghazi to find out what happened in the attack. now, with his sudden resignation, his deputy director will testify instead. >> we have a national security failure along in the making. i do want see how in the world you can find out what happened in benghazi before, during and after the attack if general petraeus doesn't testify. >> broadwell is married and has two sons. she first met the general in 2006 and traveled to afghanistan in 2010 to begin writing the book. senator dianne feinstein said she doesn't believe there is a link between the resignation and his scheduled testimony. there will be meeting with congressional intelligence leaders wednesday to discuss the affair and the fbi investigation. >> thank you. >>> the man accused of being the east coast rapist reportedly admits to raining sever
a family friend contacted the fbi about those anonymous threatening e-mails which the fbi then traced to broadwell. lawmaker believe the investigation went on for several months and they are asking why they weren't informed earlier. according to the "washington post," petraeus had visited benghazi to find out what happened in the attack. now, with his sudden resignation, his deputy director will testify instead. >> we have a national security failure along in the making. i do...
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he had a contact in the fbi who raised this concern to him. he passed it along to the chief of staff of eric cantor's office who then was put in touch with the fbi. knowing how things work in cantor's office, it -- they run by the letter of the law to a "t," so i'm sure everything was done with heavy legal counsel and guidance. >> something like this, jim, you know the way the senate intelligence committee folks work particularly on both sides of this. finding out that an fbi agent -- we're calling this person a whistleblower, is that a fair description? >> i'm not quite sure i'm convinced i know what to describe this person as. i've listened to previous reports on msnbc. there are all sorts of rumors swirling around. i'm just not sure if that's the case or not. but i think there is a fair case to be made and has been by senator feinstein that she should have been given a heads up earlier than she was. no doubt about it. she has an amazing ability to keep things secret. >> fair enough. i want to go to fiscal cliff. i think there are two questi
he had a contact in the fbi who raised this concern to him. he passed it along to the chief of staff of eric cantor's office who then was put in touch with the fbi. knowing how things work in cantor's office, it -- they run by the letter of the law to a "t," so i'm sure everything was done with heavy legal counsel and guidance. >> something like this, jim, you know the way the senate intelligence committee folks work particularly on both sides of this. finding out that an fbi...
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i'm not surprised the fbi didn't initially let congress know. i'm pleasantly surprised because it came to eric cantor, a very partisan member of the house of representatives early, i'm really pleasantly surprised it didn't leak before the election. >> this investigation, from a minor thread unraveling a major tapestry, it is surprising. as david pointed out, secrets in washington don't sit idly by, especially during an election season where cocktail parties are in full swing. there had to be more people with information, this is not a surprise to most inside the beltway? >> i don't want to get into that rt of speculation. i think what majority leader cantor did in terms of immediately referring it back to the fbi, in terms of what he was alerted was obviously the right way to handle this. having said that, understand that republicans want to hear what general petraeus had to say because he was the decision maker for the cia. this is not getting the number two. they want to know what the decisions were, what the information was there, how he proc
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that's the fbi protocol, to keep them confidential. and i think what you're seeing right now over the weekend actually proves the point of what happens when something that has this kind of tabloid nature in addition to the fact that he's a high ranking officer of the intelligence community, if not one of the very highest, makes a reason to maintain the integrity of the investigation. >> one of the things that i was not aware of is that the fbi can access all classified cia e-mail. it's astounding. so given at, that's a lot of e-mail to go through. so perhaps that can added to the length of time that this took. and to my knowledge, it's not that they are looking for an affair. that's not illegal in the cia. they are not looking for an affair. they are looking for any product of an affair that could be constituted as illegal. with that in mind, doesn't protocol go out the window the moment an e-mail is found that constitutes the potential of classified information being in the hands of the wrong person of the mistress? >> i don't think p
that's the fbi protocol, to keep them confidential. and i think what you're seeing right now over the weekend actually proves the point of what happens when something that has this kind of tabloid nature in addition to the fact that he's a high ranking officer of the intelligence community, if not one of the very highest, makes a reason to maintain the integrity of the investigation. >> one of the things that i was not aware of is that the fbi can access all classified cia e-mail. it's...
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what we now know about the mysterious women who ignited a fbi investigation of the man in charge of the cia. and lawmakers of every political stripe circling with questions about the timing of his departure. . >> he quit over a woman after the fbi uncovered his misdeed. now the head of the intelligence committee says she was never told they were in trouble. >> this is something that could have had an effect on national security. i think we should have been told. >> tonight, with petraeus gone from the cia, will we ever get the whole story about what happened the the night four americans were murdered in libya? >> and 3000 miles away from washington, in the vast mojave desert. a new effort to preserve a longstanding symbol of faith. fox reports live from the site. and-- >> americans honoring generations of veterans for keeping our freedom and liberty secure. >> a fox urgent. i'm harris falkner on the behavior tonight that ended the career of general david patriot. you may know by now, he admits he had an extramarital affair and quit suddenly on friday because of it. we knew it involved e
what we now know about the mysterious women who ignited a fbi investigation of the man in charge of the cia. and lawmakers of every political stripe circling with questions about the timing of his departure. . >> he quit over a woman after the fbi uncovered his misdeed. now the head of the intelligence committee says she was never told they were in trouble. >> this is something that could have had an effect on national security. i think we should have been told. >> tonight,...
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what is the fbi saying about this? >> well, i think they freely admit that there are no hard and fast rules for when you notify anybody else in the government that a senior intelligence official is having an affair. the general rule, and what their basic policy is, they don't tell anybody. when they're in the middle of a criminal investigation, who they're investigating. whether it's, you know, somebody in the white house or anybody. they just don't blab around town who they're investigating. now, there's a policy question here, obviously, about whether members of the intelligence committee should have been informed. they say there's a potential national security implications. the fbi and the justice department say they determined early on there weren't national security implications, that this was, at its core, not a crime, an affair. and the other thing about this is, that the fbi is sensitive to its own history, about a time when j. edgar hoover shepherded the peccadillos of official washington and parceled these th
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summer that fbi agents had uncovered the affair that led to petraeus' downfall. it all started in early june when a florida woman named jill kelley pictures here with her husband, petraeus, and his wife, alerted agents to e-mails she described as e-mails. they told kelley, a petraeus family friend, to stop socializing with generals. those anonymous e-mails led investigators to paula broadwell and evidence of the affair. now some lawmakers are asking why the fbi didn't inform them or the white house sooner. >> we received no advance notice. it was like a lightning bolt. this is something that could have had an effect on national skur security. i think we should have been told. >> it seems this was going on for several months, and yet now it appear that is they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up. >> adding to the headache and the controversy, petraeus was set to testify at a closed door hearing on the benghazi attack on thursday. with acting director michael morell now going in his pla
summer that fbi agents had uncovered the affair that led to petraeus' downfall. it all started in early june when a florida woman named jill kelley pictures here with her husband, petraeus, and his wife, alerted agents to e-mails she described as e-mails. they told kelley, a petraeus family friend, to stop socializing with generals. those anonymous e-mails led investigators to paula broadwell and evidence of the affair. now some lawmakers are asking why the fbi didn't inform them or the white...
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the other store is when the fbi knew and the president knew. the time line they have is the president was informed after the election and thursday and that general clapper, the director of national intelligence, found out in a phone call on election day and told the white house on the day after the election. the fbi had been investigating for at least wreaks. >> months. >> i don't know if we are going to learn that's not true. we can deal with the questions. she it said he thought it was a terrorist attack. he went into closed meetings saying it was a video. perhaps he was doing it to protect the cia. i believe is he going to testify on capitol hill compelled by his own sense of duty or a subpoena. i think we are going to hear from him. the time of the election and sex scandal are not really important as much as what happened on the ground in benghazi, was there some kind of coverup to protect the cia and why would mike rogers, chairman of the house intelligence committee and dianne feinstein chairman on the senate side not be informed of an on
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the fbi has been looking into this case for quite sometime. it began with threatening e-mails sent by broadwell to the petraeus family friend kelly not romantically linked to petraeus. they released this statement we and our family have been friends with general petraeus for over five years. we respect his and his familiar lace privacy and want the same for us and our three children. all of this raises questions of timing. was this information all held until after the leblgs to protect the president? the white house says no but some lawmakers felt blind sided. >> then when these questions came up i obviously tack took t action myself to try to find out and then informed by vice-chairman and i talked to the director twice. this is very hard stuff. plus petraeus was schedule to do testify before congress this week about what the cia knew about the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi libya two months ago that killed four americans including the u.s. ambassador. now he will be a no show. although he could face a subpoena. >> i hate what happe
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he knows that the fbi knows about this. but he doesn't decide to go and tell the white house and offer to resign until clapper tells him to do so. >> more information. thank you so much, pete, for that reporting. more on the politics of the petraeus scandal if you will. eugene robinson is an associate editor and columnist for "the washington post." also an msnbc political analyst. gene, this sense here -- let me show you something. some are howling about the timing of the resignation. he was set to testify about benghazi. here is ralph peters, an analyst for fox news. this is what i'm talking about, this emerging conspiracy theory and here it is coming from fox. let's watch. >> assage old intelligence analyst the way i read it, and i could be totally wrong, this is my interpretation is that the administration was unhappy with petraeus not playing ball 100% on their party line story. i think he was getting cold feet about testifying under oath and their party line story, and i suspect these tough chicago guys knew of this af
he knows that the fbi knows about this. but he doesn't decide to go and tell the white house and offer to resign until clapper tells him to do so. >> more information. thank you so much, pete, for that reporting. more on the politics of the petraeus scandal if you will. eugene robinson is an associate editor and columnist for "the washington post." also an msnbc political analyst. gene, this sense here -- let me show you something. some are howling about the timing of the...
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is this really what the fbi -- what we want the fbi doing? don't they have more important things they ought to be doing? than people's sex lives? come on. number one. i don't know why the fbi's involved. number two, i don't know why petraeus felt that he had to resign. he wasn't forced out. he offered ois his ignore -- he offered his resignation. as a country we put sex and human frailty up and put too much importance on it. there's no reason, i believe for david petraeus to have to resign. david vitter is still in the united states senate. newt gingrich ran for president. he's a serial adulter. i'm not saying it's right. i'm saying this one affair and petraeus, we could not accept petraeus as the c.i.a. director? was he a good general? yeah, he was a great general. did he do a good job in iraq? he did a great job at iraq. was was he doing a good job at the c.i.a.? yes. end of story. we place too much importance on this. it just seems to me as americans we were still living in the victorian age and that's why petraeus felt that he had to resi
is this really what the fbi -- what we want the fbi doing? don't they have more important things they ought to be doing? than people's sex lives? come on. number one. i don't know why the fbi's involved. number two, i don't know why petraeus felt that he had to resign. he wasn't forced out. he offered ois his ignore -- he offered his resignation. as a country we put sex and human frailty up and put too much importance on it. there's no reason, i believe for david petraeus to have to resign....
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she goes to the fbi. and that's how they get to the affair. >> this other woman, and we know she's not in the government and that she's not a family member, complained to the fbi about what she felt were harass k and threatening e-mails. it was that investigation that led -- they were anonymous e-mails. that led to broadwell's e-mail account. and by examining broadwell's, paula broadwell the biographer's e-mail account that's they uncovered or stumbled as they put it into this -- >> there were actually explicit e-mails between broadwell and petraeus. >> or some indication in those e-mails of an ongoing relationship. that's according to fbi officials and other officials with whom we've spoken. it was that -- and we should stress, there was never an investigation into petraeus. and they have pretty much shut down any idea that there was any kind of security or national security leaks. so this is not a criminal matter. and it would have rested there had not, and this is what is new in the last 24 hours, had
she goes to the fbi. and that's how they get to the affair. >> this other woman, and we know she's not in the government and that she's not a family member, complained to the fbi about what she felt were harass k and threatening e-mails. it was that investigation that led -- they were anonymous e-mails. that led to broadwell's e-mail account. and by examining broadwell's, paula broadwell the biographer's e-mail account that's they uncovered or stumbled as they put it into this -- >>...
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and that's what causes her to turn the e-mails over to the fbi and the fbi to take them quite seriously. >> now, what can you you tell us about paula broadwell who they traced these e-mails back to? >> well, look, it took some time because as one source told me, she had covered her tracks quite women and it was not at all clear who the sender was originally. but they did trace it back to paula bloodwell. paula broadwell clearly was quite public about her friendship with general petraeus. i was actually on a panel with paula broadwell at the aspen security forum last july in which she was quite open about how much access she had to general petraeus when she was writing the biography of him, how she also had access to classified information. this made people uncomfortable. she made a point of saying she had a high level security clearance and that she didn't consider herself a journalist. and i should point out that there were a lot of people close to general petraeus who wondered why he had chosen paula broadwell who had no background as a journalist, no background as a biographer, to be
and that's what causes her to turn the e-mails over to the fbi and the fbi to take them quite seriously. >> now, what can you you tell us about paula broadwell who they traced these e-mails back to? >> well, look, it took some time because as one source told me, she had covered her tracks quite women and it was not at all clear who the sender was originally. but they did trace it back to paula bloodwell. paula broadwell clearly was quite public about her friendship with general...
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how to the fbi have been investigating it for this long? and if the general was involved , to me, if it was, the fbi director had the obligation to tell the head of the council at the earliest date. seems to have been going on for several months, but now it seems the fbi did not realize it until election day? it just does not add up, you have this kind of investigation, the fbi investigating e-mails, taking four months to find out that the cia director was involved? i have real questions about this. the time line has to be analyzed to see what happened. >> it looks like general petraeus will not be testifying this week at the hearings that we talked about on the september 11 incident in benghazi. here is the headline -- "lawmakers have questions." pu coastal we're getting your fallout this morning from all the papers. -- host: we are getting your fallout this morning from all the papers. this from christine -- host: below that, denise rights in simply "cover up." finally, there's madeleine, who writes -- host: like i said, we are getting yo
how to the fbi have been investigating it for this long? and if the general was involved , to me, if it was, the fbi director had the obligation to tell the head of the council at the earliest date. seems to have been going on for several months, but now it seems the fbi did not realize it until election day? it just does not add up, you have this kind of investigation, the fbi investigating e-mails, taking four months to find out that the cia director was involved? i have real questions about...
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he was tipped off by an fbi employee a couple weeks ago. he followed up with the fbi to make sure the investigation was ongoing. we're going to hear a lot more about this during the course of the week. remember initially general david petraeus himself was supposed to testify about the benghazi attack in front of a couple of committees in congress, closed-door meetings. now he will not be there, this guy will. this is the michael more rel, acting director of the see ia. back to you guys. martha: that raises so many questions. we'll talk about them this morning. why would general petraeus not testify to an event he was privy to and on his watch? we'll ask michael hayden, the former cia director coming up. we'll talk to kt mcfarland about all this. doug, thank you lawmakers are wonder why they were never informed. senator diian feinstein is asking about the questions that came up. >> i informed my vice chairman and i talked to the director device. this is very hard stuff. >> and are you going to investigate why the fbi didn't notify you before
he was tipped off by an fbi employee a couple weeks ago. he followed up with the fbi to make sure the investigation was ongoing. we're going to hear a lot more about this during the course of the week. remember initially general david petraeus himself was supposed to testify about the benghazi attack in front of a couple of committees in congress, closed-door meetings. now he will not be there, this guy will. this is the michael more rel, acting director of the see ia. back to you guys. martha:...